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Title: Episcopi Vagantes
Description: A New Option for Married Priests


kenfollis@juno.com - October 3, 2006 07:18 PM (GMT)
Who is he?

He is a good preacher. He was involved in the Charismatic Renewal in the early days. He is an exorcist.
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However later in his years, he is marries a Moonie and leaves the Catholic Church to follow a man claiming to be Jesus...Mr. Moon himself.

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He goes back to the Catholic Church and leaves his wife.

The end of the story? Hardly.

"All my problems come from the lack of appreciation [by the authorities of the Catholic church] for the spiritual gifts I have," he said.

"It was too much for them to believe that in the modern world, I can simply say 'let this happen,' and it happens," he said.

Milingo offered several examples of his alleged spiritual prowess, including a recent phone call from a woman in Modena, Italy, who complained that 20 days after the birth of her child she could not produce mother's milk. Milingo said he instructed her to draw a glass of water, which he blessed over the phone. He instructed the mother to drink it, and immediately afterwards she began to lactate.

"They can't believe such things are possible," he said, with respect to Vatican officials and bishops who were reluctant to have him in their dioceses.

He then reunites with his Moonie wife and starts a "Personal Prelature" and ordains four Roman Catholic priests as Bishops while he plans on holding Charismatic "Deliverance" Services throughout the USA.

The Vatican excommunicates him.

We now have a new Charismatic Episcopi Vagante!!!!


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Renegade Zambian Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo ordained four married priests as bishops in a Sept. 24 ceremony in Washington, D.C., and 48 hours later the predictable notice of excommunication from the Vatican arrived:
"For this public act both Archbishop Milingo and the four ordinands have incurred excommunication latae sententiae, as laid down in Canon 1382 of the Code of Canon Law. Moreover, the Church does not recognize, nor does she intend to recognize in the future, these ordinations and all ordinations deriving from them; and she considers the canonical status of the four supposed-bishops as being that they held prior to this ordination," it said.
On Sept. 27, Milingo held a press conference at the Imani Temple in Washington, D.C., to respond. He thanked Benedict "for his gracious and caring concern about us."
"We do not accept this excommunication and lovingly return it to His Holiness, our beloved Pope Benedict XVI, to reconsider, withdraw it and join us in recalling married priests to service once again," Milingo said.
Milingo said he regards the "Married Priests Now!" movement as a "personal prelature" within the church, referring to a category in canon law for a quasi-diocese whose membership is defined by person rather than by geography. At present, the only recognized personal prelature is Opus Dei.
The four men Milingo ordained are: Rev. George Augustus Stallings, Jr., of Washington; Peter Paul Brennan, of New York; Patrick Trujillo, of Newark, N.J.; and Joseph Gouthro, of Las Vegas.
I spoke Wednesday morning with Stallings, a former priest of the Washington archdiocese (and one-time protégé of Cardinal James Hickey). He told me that Milingo's plan now is to travel the country "preaching, teaching and casting out demons," and meeting with married priests.
I asked if this effort will be supported by the Unification Movement of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, given that Moon provided much logistical and financial assistance to Milingo both in 2001, when Milingo first broke with the church, and again this time. Stallings, however, said that Milingo's travel and advocacy will not receive financial help from the Unification Movement.
In July, I had an exclusive interview with Milingo which can be found here: http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/bn071406.htm
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If nothing else, Milingo provides an interesting thought exercise for canon lawyers and ecclesiologists: What, if anything, makes his ordinations different from those of the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1988, when Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without the pope's authority for his breakaway Society of St. Pius X?
At least from the Vatican's point of view, there seems to be a difference.
Its Sept. 27 statement curtly said Milingo's "supposed bishops" would not be recognized. Yet in the Lefebvre case, the Holy See has implicitly recognized some ecclesial status for his bishops, even though it proclaimed them excommunicated at the time. When Cardinal Dario Castrillón Hoyos, President of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, wrote to them in 1999, he addressed them as "my dear brothers." Another example is Bishop Licínio Rangel of Brazil, ordained in defiance of the Vatican in 1991 by three of Lefebvre's four bishops. When a deal was brokered in 2002 to bring Brazilian traditionalists back into communion with Rome, an apostolic administration was created and Rangel was made its administrator, with his 1991 ordination as bishop affirmed.
Whether this reflects a difference in canonical analysis, or merely in pastoral approach, is not entirely clear.
Underlying the question is the ancient sacramental principle of ex opere operato, which means that the validity of a sacrament does not depend on the worthiness of either the recipient or the minister. It's a way of underlining the gratuitousness of God's action, making clear that human beings cannot "earn" or "merit" the sacrament's grace. Yet there are conditions: proper matter, proper form, and proper intent, and each must be present. To take a trivial example, a priest cannot consecrate Twinkies and beer because they're improper matter, no matter how punctiliously he follows the ritual or how noble his intentions.
At face value, it would seem that the Milingo ordinations pass the test just as much as Lefebvre's. Canon lawyers point out that the Sept. 27 Vatican statement on the Milingo case did not say, "These men are not bishops." It said the church will not recognize their ordinations, which is not the same thing.
One could theoretically argue that Milingo was under so much stress that he lacked the use of reason and therefore could not form the proper intent, although according to the Council of Trent the lone requirement on this score is that the minister "intends to do what the church does," meaning that he wasn't consciously faking it. As one canonist put it, "the likelihood of these being invalid ordinations is so minimal that it is not worth discussing."
Why, then, is the Vatican more inclined to take the Lefebvre bishops seriously?
Most importantly, Lefebvre's movement is seen under the heading of "schism," meaning a group of faithful which has broken communion with Rome, but which has nevertheless preserved important elements of what it means to be church. Lefebvre's bishops were ordained to serve such a community; the Society of St. Pius X claims between one million and two million faithful worldwide, along with 450 priests.
Milingo, on the other hand, is more of a "lone ranger."
Given this background, some canonists suggest the best parallel to the Milingo case is not Lefebvre, but the late Bishop Pierre Martin Ngo Dinh Thuc of Vietnam, brother of the Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem.
Thuc, himself a Catholic traditionalist, was excommunicated twice for ordaining bishops without the pope's approval, first in 1976 and again in 1983. (Thuc reportedly made peace with the church before he died in 1984). One of the eleven men Thuc ordained, a Spaniard named Clemente Dominguez Gomez, went on to proclaim himself Pope Gregory XVII, leading a tiny group of followers on a farm outside Seville where the Virgin Mary was allegedly appearing. In those instances, the Vatican took a position similar to its line with Milingo.
Politically, some analysts might say that the basic difference between Lefebvre and Milingo is that the Vatican has more sympathy for traditionalist dissent, though that's hard to square with its reaction to Thuc.
The real difference seems to be the schism factor; the Vatican takes Lefebvre's bishops seriously because it wants them to bring their faithful home. While there are certainly lots of Catholics who might agree with Milingo on a married priesthood, there's little evidence that a substantial body of people is prepared to follow him into or out of the church.
We might thus tentatively formulate the Vatican attitude towards illicitly ordained bishops this way: No faithful, no service.
For his part, Milingo insists the ordinations are for real.
In a Sept. 27 news conference, he said: "I was consecrated by Pope Paul VI and, equipped with that sacramental power from him, consecrated four married men in valid apostolic succession. These men are validly ordained Roman Catholic bishops today, and remain so in spite of Rome's posture of denial of recognition."

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Do you really want valid but illicit orders? :unsure:

chapbart - October 4, 2006 02:20 PM (GMT)
Ken,

How are you doing? I miss our talks in Kosovo. I am still with the CEEC (not the CEC). Keep me in your prayers.

Bart+

David Zampino - October 4, 2006 03:01 PM (GMT)
Ken,

A most interesting post.

I can see a couple of key differences between the SSPX folks and this wacko.

1) The Moonie connection. That, in and of itself, is enough (I would think) to call into question proper "intent".

2) Does anyone know what "form" was used?

3) The George Stallings connection. When he broke with Rome, he introduced all sorts of native African beliefs/practices into his "liturgies". Who knows what kookiness actually took place!

With the SSPX folks, their only crime is their attempts to be "more Catholic than the Pope". I have no doubt that valid form and intent were present!

Blessings,

kenfollis@juno.com - October 4, 2006 07:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chapbart @ Oct 4 2006, 09:20 AM)
Ken,

How are you doing? I miss our talks in Kosovo. I am still with the CEEC (not the CEC). Keep me in your prayers.

Bart+

I thought that was you when I saw the post. Write me, Father Bart! Awesome!

Rick, Erkzoom, David Z or Jaybird,
Do any of you recall Dr. Jerry Horner at ORU?

David Zampino - October 4, 2006 07:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (kenfollis@juno.com @ Oct 4 2006, 02:42 PM)
QUOTE (chapbart @ Oct 4 2006, 09:20 AM)
Ken,

How are you doing?  I miss our talks in Kosovo.  I am still with the CEEC (not the CEC).  Keep me in your prayers.

Bart+

I thought that was you when I saw the post. Write me, Father Bart! Awesome!

Rick, Erkzoom, David Z or Jaybird,
Do any of you recall Dr. Jerry Horner at ORU?

The name is vaguely familiar -- but that is as far as I can remember.

Jaybird - October 4, 2006 08:47 PM (GMT)
Sorry. Nope.

kenfollis@juno.com - October 4, 2006 09:00 PM (GMT)
Thanks. He was the founding dean for CBN/Regent University School of Theology, as well as, dean at ORU. ChapBart, do you know him? ;)

Rev. Dr. Jerry Horner

Dr. Jerry Horner is the New Testament editor of the well-known Spirit-filled Life Bible and an expert professor on the New Testament. He served as the Dean of Oral Roberts University School of Theology and is a highly sought-after speaker all over the world. Dr. Jerry Horner graduated with a Bachelor of Arts on 1957, a Master of Divinity in 1960 and a Doctor of Theology in 1964. He is currently serving as the President of Bethesda Christian University, USA.

He also served at Beacon University.

chapbart - October 4, 2006 10:29 PM (GMT)
He is still at Beacon University. He started the D Min program there. By the way, I have known him for 45 years :)

A Simple Sinner - October 5, 2006 09:25 PM (GMT)
At first I thought this was about as noteworthy as the ex-Governor of Ohio's ex-wife Dagmar Braun Celeste claiming to have been ordained a priest on a river boat between German and Austria

Than I noted who one of the "consecratees" is: our old buddy George Stallings.

Remeber him?

For those of you who do not remember Mr. Stallings, he left the Cahtolic Church (as a priest) to found his own congregation in Wash. DC back in 1989: The Imani Temple. Where he sought his original "consecration" to the episcopate I am not sure. For all I know he just proclaimed himself an archbishop. Why not a "patriarch" a la Randolph Adler of the CEC (Charismatic Episcopal Church)
I do not know. I guess he is a little bit humble.

In a recent interview Stallings granted: 'In the church coat room where the interview took place, she hugged Stallings. She kissed him. She made him blush. She took him by the hands and gazed into his eyes. Stallings, meanwhile, told Harris: "Jesus was an Asiatic Jew with black blood flowing through his veins.
Look at me, a man of African descent about to marry a woman of Asian descent. We are about to have some new Jesuses."'

Folks interested in reading about how Stallings KILLED a four-year-old little girl through baptism can go here.

Or read about his fabulous new Capital Hill property:

According to the Post Account, the dedication service mixed Catholic liturgy and African dancing and chanting--punctuated by Stallings dancing on the altar and with congregants in the aisles. Present at the dedication and offering support for Stallings were representatives of the Louis Farrakhan-led Nation of Islam and the Inner Light Unity Fellowship, a predominantly gay congregation. Washington Mayor Sharon Pratt Kelly called Stallings "our own black Moses," the Post said.

Ex-Abp. Millango, way to go. You are up and running with a rather grand start there.


A Simple Sinner - October 8, 2006 06:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (A Simple Sinner @ Oct 5 2006, 04:25 PM)
...I am not sure. For all I know he just proclaimed himself an archbishop. Why not a "patriarch" a la Randolph Adler of the CEC (Charismatic Episcopal Church) I do not know. I guess he is a little bit humble.

I was re-reading this post and in the spirit of charity I wanted to apologize for this remark given the participants and nature of this board. No one called me on it, but just the same, I wanted to clarify.

That post was one I originally posted in a different blog, and that board takes a little different tone.

To be clear, I do not want to imply that Abp Adler is of the same cut as George Stallings. Where I believe the former at least was earnestly seeking a recreation of a spiritual framework in light of what I suspect he earnestly believed to be a legitamate route. The latter, Mr. Stallings, left the Catholic Church when he did not like what She taught and aksed (demanded) of him. Two very different things.

Please forgive the tone. I was not intending to lump them together. It seems, however, that I could have been misunderstood to be doing so. No offense meant. I hope none was taken.

David Zampino - October 13, 2006 02:02 PM (GMT)
Moderator's Note:

Brothers and sisters, we are shutting down early today. We were open last weekend -- and I'm not sure that was such a good idea.

For the love of God, we need to remember that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus -- and that all of us (myself included) -- need to make sure that we remember this, especially when our mouse is pointed to the "add reply" button.

I often ask my classes a question something like this: "Do you believe that the Father hears the prayers of the Son?" They answer in the affirmative. I then ask "Do you want to see Jesus return?" Again, they answer in the affirmative. I then point to St. John, chapter 17, and share Jesus' prayer for unity. A prayer which, as of yet, has not been fulfilled. I then ask my classes "Do you think that Jesus is all that eager to return for a broken and divided Church"? Dead silence reigns.


Behold, how good and how pleasant it is when brethren dwell together in unity.


Have a great weekend!

David Zampino - November 2, 2006 03:16 PM (GMT)
Moderator's Note:

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