Title: Excommunication
Description: Who can excommunicate a CEC communicant?
FLETC.dude - July 22, 2006 05:11 PM (GMT)
There have been several reports of priests excommunicating parish members.
Question:
Can a priest excommunicate someone?
Is excommunication not controlled by canons of the church?
What is considered an excommunicable offense?
FLETC.dude
Episcopi vagantes - July 23, 2006 02:49 AM (GMT)
I am most certain that if my identity were know I would most certainly be ex-communicated. Imagine that, excommunicated for posting on a forum!
But hey, that would solve my own personal problem with the occultic consecration wouldn't it? ;)
SC friend - July 25, 2006 05:17 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FLETC.dude @ Jul 22 2006, 12:11 PM) |
There have been several reports of priests excommunicating parish members.
Question:
Can a priest excommunicate someone?
Is excommunication not controlled by canons of the church?
What is considered an excommunicable offense?
FLETC.dude |
I know that excommunication is often "formal" and "informal". I have a deacon friend who was told he was "excommunicated" by the priest after a disagreement with the priest. He simply walked out of a meeting because he was tired of the forced discussion over an issue he disagreed with the priest. YOu know, FORCED discussions when it's soley for the purpose of getting someone else to see it your way, is a form of abuse if overdone. He doesn't remember if that exact word was used. He was told he should not receive communion the following Sunday, or would not receive communion. He understood that a priest could excommunicate, but only up to 14 days.
David Zampino - July 26, 2006 02:27 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SC friend @ Jul 25 2006, 12:17 PM) |
| QUOTE (FLETC.dude @ Jul 22 2006, 12:11 PM) | There have been several reports of priests excommunicating parish members.
Question:
Can a priest excommunicate someone?
Is excommunication not controlled by canons of the church?
What is considered an excommunicable offense?
FLETC.dude |
I know that excommunication is often "formal" and "informal". I have a deacon friend who was told he was "excommunicated" by the priest after a disagreement with the priest. He simply walked out of a meeting because he was tired of the forced discussion over an issue he disagreed with the priest. YOu know, FORCED discussions when it's soley for the purpose of getting someone else to see it your way, is a form of abuse if overdone. He doesn't remember if that exact word was used. He was told he should not receive communion the following Sunday, or would not receive communion. He understood that a priest could excommunicate, but only up to 14 days.
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If your deacon friend was CEC, his priest was way out of line. I've read the Canons . . . this "14 day period" . . . where does THAT come from? What if your friend (God forbid) died during that 14 day period. Would the priest have refused to attend him?
This doesn't scan with me!
Blessings,
Episcopi vagantes - July 26, 2006 11:42 PM (GMT)
Excommunication is a very serious issue. Some of our people seem to handle it very lightly!
ev :blink: :blink:
Mary Katherine - July 28, 2006 06:11 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FLETC.dude @ Jul 22 2006, 12:11 PM) |
There have been several reports of priests excommunicating parish members.
Question:
Can a priest excommunicate someone?
Is excommunication not controlled by canons of the church?
What is considered an excommunicable offense?
FLETC.dude |
Oh, yes, a member of a parish can be excommunicated by a priest and Canon Law had nothing to do with it. Mine did that to me even though I never received anything official. I was questioning many things in my parish (many of the same things that are being questioned in the CEC-at-large) and was not given articulate answers. Two requests were made to my priest for a personal meeting to try and clarify where exactly my parish was headed and the abuses that were witnessed. That was refused and I then informed him that I would be taking a short sabbatical from the church services to sort things out. That was not acceptable and I was told that I should just "leave" (said in definitely stronger terms). I had to agree to believe and submit to everything he said (not question him at all) and I would not say 'yes' to that. He deleted me from the parish roll and I have never returned. So, in essence, he did excommunicate me albeit nothing was ever received formally. At my confirmation, I received a document receiving me into the CEC, signed by my priest and the bishop. Nothing like that has been received to date and I have wondered if the CEC gives anything official when excommunicating a person. The bishop probably knows nothing of this but I have no way of knowing that for sure.
Mary Katherine
David Zampino - July 28, 2006 06:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mary Katherine @ Jul 28 2006, 01:11 PM) |
| QUOTE (FLETC.dude @ Jul 22 2006, 12:11 PM) | There have been several reports of priests excommunicating parish members.
Question:
Can a priest excommunicate someone?
Is excommunication not controlled by canons of the church?
What is considered an excommunicable offense?
FLETC.dude |
Oh, yes, a member of a parish can be excommunicated by a priest and Canon Law had nothing to do with it. Mine did that to me even though I never received anything official. I was questioning many things in my parish (many of the same things that are being questioned in the CEC-at-large) and was not given articulate answers. Two requests were made to my priest for a personal meeting to try and clarify where exactly my parish was headed and the abuses that were witnessed. That was refused and I then informed him that I would be taking a short sabbatical from the church services to sort things out. That was not acceptable and I was told that I should just "leave" (said in definitely stronger terms). I had to agree to believe and submit to everything he said (not question him at all) and I would not say 'yes' to that. He deleted me from the parish roll and I have never returned. So, in essence, he did excommunicate me albeit nothing was ever received formally. At my confirmation, I received a document receiving me into the CEC, signed by my priest and the bishop. Nothing like that has been received to date and I have wondered if the CEC gives anything official when excommunicating a person. The bishop probably knows nothing of this but I have no way of knowing that for sure.
Mary Katherine
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I can assure you that your former priest greatly exceeded his authority. In the Catholic Church -- and even in the Episcopal church -- priests are greatly limited in what they can do along these lines -- and if they do exercise what limited authority they do have, they have to be able to justify their actions to the bishop in a timely fashion.
Sadly, however, I don't believe that your situation is unique.
Blessings,
Believer - August 11, 2006 04:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (David Zampino @ Jul 28 2006, 01:21 PM) |
I can assure you that your former priest greatly exceeded his authority. In the Catholic Church -- and even in the Episcopal church -- priests are greatly limited in what they can do along these lines -- and if they do exercise what limited authority they do have, they have to be able to justify their actions to the bishop in a timely fashion.
Sadly, however, I don't believe that your situation is unique.
Blessings, |
David, can you give me an idea of what might happen if I were in the Catholic Church and took issue with something I saw going on in my parish, such as financial abuse or sexual impropriety or improper liturgical procedure for example? If I took the matter to the priest, what would he be allowed? Could he tell me not to talk about it and I would have to obey? What if he were part of the problem? What recourse might I have? What if he just ignored me and the problem continued? Are there limits to the obedience he could require of me?